2866 is pictured in two views, one with the Xs removed and the other enhanced. It is interesting to note that this is the only published example of a Schutzpolizei Hannover Police holster so marked. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 5 ----------------------------------------------------------. First Mass-produced Semi-automatic Pistol. Click here for English translation. The tube is in excellent condition with most . new style of police holster was introduced without a holster spine attached cleaning rod sleeve, replacing it with a spare magazine pouch. On later production guns, matching numbered magazines enhance value. Regarding the S. H.133. Subsequently, one would expect the resulting increase in height of the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve to require the higher relocation of the cleaning rod cover flap yet, interestingly, there is only one, apparently original cover flap stitching line evident as shown by an internal view. 3 days Left DWM 1906 SWISS POLICE LUGER SEMI-AUTO PISTOL. (he Americans actually did the same thing as most American Regiments did not have a "I" Company, but skipped from "H" Company to "J" Company) Constanzo got this one completely wrong, and the marking is definitely from the late '30's not '20s, and please disregard nonsense about the building # assignments. 30. the two-piece muzzle protector assembly over the barrel sight band/blade, then the transcription. The reassignment of 9754r to the Weimar navy explains the removal of the Sear Safety and the Magazine Safety. The post WW2 German Railway system apparently still required police protection as evidenced by the subject pictured FN Browning M1922 7.65 mm pistol, stamped, interestingly, Bahnpolizei (Railway Police) U.S. Nevertheless, cut-back artillery Luger holsters are inexplicably associated with the new police cleaning rods and appears self-evident that possibly, some of the new design police cleaning rods with brass stops were carried in the attached cleaning rod pouches of the converted LP.08 artillery to police holsters, and they also could be found in police stations. Thanks to everyone who has added to this excellent and informative thread. Inter-war Commercial Lugers (both rework and new manufacture); all Police models (both rework and new manufacture); and all Dutch and Finnish Lugers are of particular interest. Usually when this is done another identification is added. 45a and in The Borchardt & Luger Automatic Pistols a.k.a. Lugers! The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in Sturgess collection, currently, as of this writing, being offered by a noted dealer for an equally extremely rare four-digit price. Original stitching intact. When is the right time to sell back 9780985833503 Police Lugers: German Police Lugers and Their Markings 1918-1958? Mike, i don't think Joop is doing that? He should conscientiously fulfill his obligations, should be professional in his measures, be in touch with the public, but also act strictly against obvious violations, on the other hand avoid all incidents or even abuses by which the mood of a considerable part of the population is even more against those Police are involved when it is unfortunately already the case. Each state (Pomerania, Prussia, Silesia, etc.) This interference issue varies from barrel to barrel, curiously, to both police and non-police P.08 9mm Lugers, depending on the width of the sight blade sliding base. rotating clockwise the short collar section, about 270 degrees by 1) rotating the threaded, knurled a 4-digit 1108 believed to be a Police P.08 serial number. View First Unread . But when Nazi party came to power, and started preparation. I think it's a P08 made by DWM ( Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken ). " Ulle these re-regulations have been scrutinized when processing the second application and have made extensive changes necessary in some sections. luger1. Bavarian Police Defense Force (Polizeiwehr Bayern), made LP.08 holster, cut-back modified/converted in the Weimar era for use with a police P.08, 4-inch barrel Luger. The magazine has a blued tube and aluminum base. Army, Navy, Police. 1374v. LUGER POLICE P-08 MAGAZINE. We've been wringing out the SFAR for several weeks and, with the first 500 rounds in the rearview, decided to go for some quiet time. Most of them are out of date: on the other hand, so many regulations have been added recently that it would be difficult for the novice to find out the right thing. Was it a difference in caliber or what is obvious that I am missing. For more detailed information on the 1949 Police manual. It is curious that the subject converted LP.08 holster, however, lacks the horizontal stitch line that secures the bottom edge of the holster body inner liner found on all observed artillery LP.08 holsters, original and converted. $2,535.00 Compare ERFURT 1918 MILITARY - D13019 those pertaining to German police units in the Weimar and early Nazi era. The second being a 1920s chamber stamped commercial P.08 Luger 9754r that is forward gripstrap police marked lengthwise S. M. 1704. or (Prussia) Schutzpolizei Mnster 1074 - Protection Police, Mnster district 7. I agree with Pat on the PTV marking. We got our hands on one of the original MCXs for some testing. Brown (dyed black) leather marked, "MORD HURST/KIEL/SATTLER" on the back (very faintly) Navy style markings "eagle/M" underneath.. Edward Tinker. It was initially issued to the Imperial German Army during WW1, was reworked by the police, and was issued to the Nazi police force during WW2. Compare the above to this World War I 1917-dated DWM Artillery Luger with the more appropriate German markings. German: Foreign Mfg. is the only publication that is very specific as to its use, unfortunately, A sear safety has been added. 9mm; 95% blue, 90% straw, very good bore, near mint grips, 4'' barrel, The metal finish is very good, but it has slight muzzle wear on the left side of the barrel. The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in 3 Arming Weimar Germany, including Weimar Police Lugers, the Sear Safety, the Magazine Safety, profiles of Weimar Police Lugers, Police holsters, Police Magazines and Police tools & miscellaneous. locking the two-piece assembly in place. (113P) DWM 1920 Police Rework Luger Pistol . Pictured is another modified example. this is somewhat supported as many pictures exist of Weimar Police with ordinary belt buckles. the interpretation of German unit marks is outside the scope of the 19-130 text caption: A post-WW1 new manufactured police issue cleaning rod with soft-soldered stop for use with the Mndungsschoner for the P.08.These were issued to the police on a scale of one per pistol.Many of these rods will be police unit marked on the shaft between handle and muzzle stop. 18: . Here are the rare Lugers (PHOTOS). Pictured are the cover, page 1 and rear cover of a rare 1949 Berlin, German Police manual for the Landespolizeischule Erfurt or State Police School, Erfurt. The issue date of this unknown maker Police pistole cleaning kit is post 1945, as after World War II as Wrttemberg was in the newly-founded States of Wrttemberg-Baden and Wrttemberg-Hohenzollern. Note the non-standard vertical location of added metal belt buckle and strap/keeper cover flap holster vs. the regulation positioned and angled location of The holster, shown with pistol, is unusual as it was made without a loading tool pouch under the cover flap and the cover flap lacks a keeper for the holster body attached closing strap. an order of the Prussian Ministry of the Interior dated April 15, 1919, to Berlin government dissolved the Einwohnerwehr. It was procured from private stockWhat real difference would it make to the Heers WaA if they ordered a new holster or procured one from existing stock? August Weiss confirms that these pistols were sold by Mauser to the German Police; this solves my problem. The conclusion being is that the modification, if indeed done for the reason described, was an ill-conceived, poorly thought out exercise that didnt work out, and that the special Police cleaning rod with added brass stopper, as stated by some Luger authors, was never intended to be carried in a cut-back Artillery to Police holster, with the subject holster being the sole published example so modified. Bavarian State Police (Landespolizei), 1930. and - S. H. 133. are hidden, being located under the cover flap, whereas other identified, non-holster Hannover markings, such as Police P08s are prominently marked. had 96 or 98 mm long barrels, and also only the 7.65 mm caliber. When the holster enters military service, it is inspected and proofed. 1644 of the 49th centuria within II command, Dusseldorf (S.D. Additionally, this holster was used extensively as evidenced by its less than pristine condition, possibly being carried in the late days of the war in the defense of Berlin. The table of contents identifies the handling and operation of all pistols used by the German police in Dresden in 1946. centered in the federal states of Prussia, Bavaria, Baden, Wuerttemberg, Pictured is one such example with pattern likely dating from the Weimar period, identified as a German fire defense police belt buckle with a beautiful design emblem with the following inscription of: God to Honor ~ Neighbor to Defend. Per C. Kenyon in Lugers at Random, 1969, Section 8, page 250 GENERAL NOTES states that: very few of these early DWM/BKIW/Mauser Oberndorf assembled P.08s were made and very few of this variation are found with a Sear safety. The results cause us collectors no end of confusion, 78 years later. Pictured together for comparison are a Police cleaning rod with a brass stopper and a navy cleaning rod. Numbers are matching except for firing pin. RIA has no less than 19 rare Krieghoff Lugers including commercial and Luftwaffe military contract guns. It might be that a few H.P. Poulin 2015 Auction, Bahnschutz holster, front view only, Over all good condition. Has been dyed black long ago. Most of them are out of date: on the other hand, so many regulations have been added recently that it would be difficult for the novice to find out the right thing. unmarked commercial Police style holsters have been identified. administrative district, Enumeration of centuria, or factory numbers, or property numbers, Berlin Police arms had a It should be noted that the World of Lugers Proof Marks 1977 by S. Constanzo, page 108 pictured E/Mg10 eagle is a different style from the subject E/Mg10 eagle. Pictured are two 1933 Robert Larsen Police holsters with and without the E/Mg10 eagle and multiple views of the subject Police holster, being view 1, view 2, view 3 and view 4. Pictured for comparison are examples 1 and 2. is a disassembled view of the subject aftermarket P08 marked and police stick wing acceptance stamped, variation. Article created: Thursday, 25 January 2018 information presented here, but they indicate which unit(s) the materiel the center Police officer with a white colored belt. Bayern (Bavarian Police Defense Force), Identification of individual units or independent centuria within an [2], The earliest dated new manufacture, second pattern regulation police holster is 1929. Please report any errors to me. For the rest, however, there has been a tendency to warn the book in its existing form as far as possible. I 1924 titled Verkehrsposten der Schutzpolizei or Traffic posts of the security police. which clearly shows an early Weimar era police officer with a rare belt loop variation of a cut-back artillery holster with closed toe, full cover flap with an up-strap and brass stud closure. Brief explanation of the Danish HIPO-organization (as the name is mentioned again and again): HIPO was a Danish corps, established 1944 by the German Gestapo, recruited among Danish traitors after, most of the Danish policemen on September 19th 1944 were arrested and sent to concentration camps in Germany. WWI History after Treaty of Versailles: German production of 9mm pistols was prohibited. Pictured is a brown leather 1939 dated Kern Klager & Cie Berlin police holster with an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp; view 1 and view 2. The right side of the slide has a weimar eagle with WaA66 below. In regard to Police manuals, this language change is first noted in a 1941 Police manual versus the apparent last use of the Fraktur font in a 1940 police manual. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 3 ----------------------------------------------------------. 3 days Left DWM 1914 MILITARY UNIT MARKED LUGER SEMI-AUTO. It is identical to the 4mm conversion unit part that retains the barrel and may be one and the same. Interestingly, the cut-back artillery to purportedly, police conversions with toe plugs rarely have added twin belt loops. Nazi Lugers and their Accessories, by Jan C. Still, printed by Sturgess additionally describes the police cleaning rod in the Fig. Clearly identified on the facing edge holster spine is a period artillery Luger cleaning rod pouch with brass stud and leather slit cover flap. Still. The frame tells us that it was an artillery (200mm barrel) and has had the barrel replaced by Simson & Co., the only one authorized to build Lugers after the great war by the treaty of Versailles. Stitching intact. Below, a muzzle protector is shown attached to a Mauser Oberndorf Luger, s.n. German Small Arms Markings From Authentic Sources by J. Only one other example has ever been documented. The only known publication that mentions the E/WaAJL16 stamping is found in World of Lugers, a.k.a. 1703 marked muzzle protector attached to a P.08 barrel, which is part of a 4mm sub caliber training assembly, which could also be used as a stand-alone muzzle protector in conjunction with the new police cleaning rod with brass stopper. (May indicate manufacture or rework.) Luger Identification Guide - Rework and non-DWM Lugers (1915-1945) This is one of a series of identification guides for small arms. There is, however, conclusive evidence that the German police did indeed use cut-back Artillery holsters in the early 1920s Weimar era as a search of the Berlin Federal Archives located a picture identified as Bundesarchiv. Prussian Police (Schutzpolizei), 1922. Igorak89 Member Posts: 35 Joined: 03 Oct 2013, 10:01 Location: Serbia Re: Luger markings identification - help Pictured is one such P08 police grip strap example, compared against variation 1 muzzle protector 2866, where no additional marks were added. The holster front is stamped L.Z.A. Bie der Reubearbeitung des Kap. These consisted of the following city and HIPO was organized under - and quite similar to -the Gestapo: Some uniformed to be visible, some civil dressed working in secrecy. For more info on 1926 Forest Police manual, click, For more detailed information on the 1930s Aux Police manual, click, For more information on the 1937 Vorschrift manual, click. Shown is an apparently cold police officer in front of a Weimar era Polizeiwache or Police Station with the final, second pattern design police holster. But there is a very great difference: Gestapo was German, working in enemy-country. information about where such materiel have been (e.g., which battles in Also, the large double crown U Mauser receiver proof was used for a short time only, less than a year, according to one Luger expert. While lacking a rear horizontal stitch line, the holster body cavity rear panel is secured at the lower edge by the lower belt loop stitching. Approximately 3,000 produced. Der Polizeibeamte seiht sich daher den vielseitigen Uusgaben gegenberstehen. No Longer Available. 05-24-2021 12:04 AM by Neil Young. The markings on the right side shows that this P08 was manufactured in 1939 by Mauser, Oberndorf and used by POL izei (Police). Pictured is an unknown maker German Police 02-04-2013 08:55 PM by NoncomRetired. Stay in the know. Im Strasrecht haben ebensalls injngster Zeit z. L. erhebliche Umwlzungen stattgesunden. Pictured is the holster used with the 1950s Bahnpolizei FN 1922 pistol, separate and together with pistol. The left side of the slide has a Crown/N insp proof. The lack of relevant textbooks has often been put to the test. This is notwithstanding the fact that there were obviously less Weimar Era Police officers than NCO Police personnel. Unit marks were applied to many kinds of German military and police The holster was dyed black as evidenced on the holster body back panel original brown color. the precincts held the long cleaning rods, similar to the navy P.04 pattern, onto which a brass travel stop was soldered, used in conjunction with the Mndungsschoner (muzzle protector), Verkehrsposten der Schutzpolizei, Berlin 1924. Apparently, all post 1926 police style holsters were not made exclusively for the German Police as unmarked commercial Police style holsters have been identified. Die neue Polizii, welche grunstzlich fr den Uusendienst bestimmt und uniformiert ift, versieht nicht nur den allgemeinen Sicherheitsdienst, fondern hat auch fr die Frhaltung der Ordnung, Ruhe und Reinlichteit, fr die Bertehrsregelung, fr die uissere heilghaltung der Sonn= und Feiertage, das Gesangenentransportwesen und schlieslich fr die Beachtung der wirtschastsportwesen Grundstze Sorge zu tragen. 2 Policing Germany, including Police Unit Marks Chapt. Regarding the necessity to modify a cut-back Artillery to Police holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve to accommodate a Police cleaning rod is questioned, as the 1915 P. Braunleder Cln cut-back Artillery to Police holster, as stated earlier, was acquired with a Police steel shaft cleaning rod with brass stopper, fully inserted in the original, unmodified cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, albeit a cover flap modified by adding a section of leather, allowing the cover flap to completely close over the seven ring wooden barrel Police cleaning rod handle. This assumes that the cut-back Artillery to Police holster and the modification of the cleaning rod/pouch/sleeve and cover flap were contemporaneous operations. var links=new Array() back-side attached single, horizontal leather stock block strip and removing the center block. In the TBLAP, Fig. This is an apolitical forum for discussions on the Axis nations and related topics hosted by the Axis History Factbook in cooperation with Christian Ankerstjernes Panzerworld and Christoph Awender's WW2 day by day. Sticky: Book Review History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- The new police, which is basically intended for the field service and uniformed, not only provides the general security service, but also for the maintenance of order, calm and cleanliness, for the regulation of touch, for the outer sanctuary of Sundays and holidays, the singing transport system and finally ensure that the principles of business sports are observed. The lower of the two (brass) studs is not an original German stud. Borchardt C93 - produced 1893-1902. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 9 ----------------------------------------------------------. All of this is conjecture of course but it stands up to close inspection. Pictured are multiple views of the four brass studs and their dimensions used with the subject holster. In a typical attempt to demonstrate its political autonomy, the federal Pictured is an exceptional example of one such Police officer private purchase, unmarked and unmodified Weimar era Police clamshell dress bayonet. He should conscientiously fulfill his obligations, should be professional in his measures, be in touch with the public, but also act strictly against obvious violations, on the other hand avoid all incidents or even abuses by which the mood of a considerable part of the population is even more against those Police are involved when it is unfortunately already the case. issued to a unit; e.g., the 351st P08 pistol issued to the Schutzpolizei WWI). These Nazi Police bayonets are frequently described as Dress bayonets, which is a misnomer. My question, please forive if its too absurd, is" Why weren't the Riff Contract pistols ordered from the Simson Co.?" In actuality, both above statements are correct, as the first statement that a majority of the cut-back LP.08 holsters used by the police are without a police cleaning rod is accurate, however, in cannot be denied that some, at least one, in this instance, was modified (unsuccessfully), specifically to carry the police cleaning rod as evidenced the very rare subject example. This statement appears to be somewhat contradicted, where earlier on page 1262 Fig. The Inhalt or Contents are comprised of nine sections of Roman numerals I through IX, ironically called Bush or Books with I through III in Band I or Volume I and IV through IX in Band II or Volume II. The police officer is therefore faced with the varied expenses. Army, Navy, Police, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. A remaining question: who changed the 7.65mm barrels into 9mm barrels? Nuernberg (Nuremberg procurement office), Flugueberwachung Bayern-Sued (South Bavarian avaiation supervision), Flugueberwachung Bayern-Nord (North Bavarian aviation supervision), Nachrichtentechniche Abteilung (communications section), Ausbildungsstaffel der Nachr. WaAJL16. of "P". Translated cover of The Police Pistols, Dresden manual. - Kommando Wuertzburg, Kraftfahr-Sonderabteilung, For those looking at the other end of the scale, there are a number of Mauser-produced byf Code WWII-era guns popularly known as black widows that are priced with estimates starting at $900. Simson & Company - Suhl, Germany&break;4. Helping Police). The variation 1 police marked 4mm sub caliber muzzle protector that can be installed in a single step seems more practical for use with the police cleaning rod. Eagle/L proofed aluminum bottom magazine is not. is unknown. they are found. This rare leather S.K.g 715 holster by Otto Stuertz Allenstein is in excellent condition. Featured is a WW2 police style holster marked WaAJL16 on the rear between the bell loops along with a 4-digit 1108 believed to be a Police P.08 serial number. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Signed & Numbered by both authors. Approximately 5 produced (2 originals known), not numbered. Only two are identified in publications and only partial pictures. Condition:--not specified . Polizei-Praesident Berlin=The Royal Police-President Berlin. The subject holster is the third such holster identified. The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in The other marking is an inspection stamp, consisting of a crown over a 'fraktur,' or letter. $500. Pictured are view 1 and view 2 of this unusual marked police holster. Zone vs. the WW2 Bahnschutz (Railway Protection). I have another on the way with two more soon to be ordered, see, I originally was only going to acquire one luger to set off my axis collection. Hesse, Saxony, and others. The pistol itself looks like it started out of a commercial luger since their was no chamber date, the take down lever and side plates 2-digit serial #'s were stamped beneath, and the serial number is a 4-digit one. 7: 505: . regulations issued in 1922, and are shown in the following table. collar slot aligned and properly threaded, leaving a proper space allowing the Spain attempted to extend their territory to expand their control and unify the two sections. The balance of the change involved adding a cover flap brass stud to effect closure, utilizing the original LP.08 holster body up-strap and it is certain in this first conversion that the holster rear leather shoulder strap stock block was retained. is described in great detail on page 25, Figure 18, see page 137 of Eugene Bender's "Luger Holsters & Accessories" for a similarly marked holster, RIA 2013 Paul Goldner RBD Halle holster, sold for $3133, Poulin 2015 Auction, Bahnschutz holster, front view only, eBay Auction, 1933 Paul Goldner Halle a. S. holster, RIA 2018, Bahnschutz RBD Halle S holster offering, Luger Holsters & Their Accs., P137 Bahnschutz holster, M. Morris, This association is not supported by any distinguishing markings different from any other, later style, purportedly Magdeburg Depot rework Mg10 Stick Wing eagle stamps have been identified on the rear frame of P08 Lugers, Weimar eagle style E/Mg10 stampings of the 41 dated WwMg/41 and E/Mg10 P08 holsters, a stand-alone E/Mg10 Nazi Swastika stamping on a 1933 dated Robert Larsen Weimar era Police holster, two 1933 Robert Larsen Police holsters with and without the E/Mg10 eagle, an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp, a unique eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police B inspection stamp, Only two are identified in publications and only partial pictures, made of impregnated pressed paper and is pictured in TPLAP, V3, page 1245 Fig. This is one heck of an obscure way to do it! stamping, there is enough room to the left of the defined and enhanced rectangular cartouche type enclosed S. H.133. Pictured is a black leather 1936 dated Franz Cobau Berlin holster with a TP or Technische Polizeischule property stamp; view 1, view 2 and view 3. These markings were not used by the Nazis, thus we will see many Bayonets that are mismatched - which is not the case with the subject bayonet with original Weimar era matching accountability numbers S.B. It is not very important if the delivery of these pistols took place just before the 1st of January 1930, or just after (invoiced by Mauser).". ----------------------------------------------------------- page 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Choose whether you want the sealed, opened box, or the marking stamp. These bayonets also originally had a Prussian Eagle adorned clam shell device under the grip. 4 days Left WW2 ERA GERMAN POLICE LUGER HOLSTER RIG $150 . another cut-back Artillery to Police holster, An examination of the P. 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